Thanks, I will. Hopefully, I'll be able to get it done sooner rather than later. I don't like to leave the site in an unfinished state. I'm finding it harder to get on and do stuff, since I have a lot of real life obligations which come first, but I'm definitely working towards finishing everything on this site.
How's it going? I think you and me are the only active contributors left on here. XD I'm working through my list slowly, from now until May. If there's anything left on there that doesn't get done, it'll be a starting point for whoever adopts this site, since all admins have been inactive for over two months, meaning this site can be adopted by anyone. I think it'd be great to have a new admin, since someone will be running the site at least. What do you think? I'm not bothered about who the new admin will be, just as long as they're active. XD
I'm actually considering putting in a request for adoption, but I don't want to create any unnecessary conflict, like last time. So, I'm thinking about it a lot more this time. If I feel adoption is the way forward, I'll create a blog post. What would you do in this situation?
That's true. The easy option is to keep going and abandon the site in May, but I don't want to leave the site in an unfinished state, so, I'll create a blog post and see if it gathers any attention. If not, I'll put in a request after a week has passed.
I've updated my blog post, so other users know this site needs an admin. I've decided not to adopt this site. I'm busy managing and running Lessa Wiki and I don't have time to manage two sites, I'll be leaving this site in May, I'll update what I can until then.
Barely. It has become more of a study of things to avoid doing rather than corrections. I am thinking of restarting it and going over things from an arc by arc basis now. But even then I would have to seperate things I would do differently and things that were just not followed through. And I kind of lack the heart of going over so many chapters. Going over the things that went nowhere when I hoped they would be leading to something is just sad.
I know what you mean. The series overall is heartbreaking. I'm still working on my blog post, although it'll be a few more weeks before it's ready. I said I'd do the fixing Noblesse, in a separate post, however, fixing the series is going to take more time and will likely require reading the series again. I might do a season by season breakdown, rather than go arc by arc, unless more detail is required.
I'd call that a paradox. XD I don't think we'll be seeing them again. I'm only sticking around until May, so I have time to complete the to do list on my profile, then I'm done, although I will most likely check in from time to time, to prevent vandalism.
You know, since I've been re-reading parts of the series to write my blog post, I've realised that I don't really hate the series overall, nor do I hate how it ended, I'm just disappointed it wasn't better.
My thoughts exactly. I thought the ending had ruined the entire series for me, but re-reading parts, helped me remember what I originally loved about it and I didn't really hate the ending as much as I thought I did.
The blog is fighting to become a bearable length. The improvements I could make Noblesse stem from here and there to "first draft we kept for too long" to "we have no plan on fleshing out this part" to "minor details we put no thought to, came back to bite us" to "changing things due popularity messed our plans". Not looking good overall. Noblesse needed an editor with foresight.
Agreed, maybe to keep ourselves entertained, we can come up with an unofficial rewrite. XD Either way, I'm excited to see what you write in your post. If it ends up being too long, you can always split it into several smaller blogs.
The more I look at it, the more it seems that even the parts are going to be on the big side. Just the things they OBVIOUSLY forgot about are a big part and the same goes for the things that derailed the series.
I'm expecting that when I write my fixing Noblesse blog, it'll easily cross several blog posts. There's a lot that's good, but so much that fell way short of the mark and even more that needs fixing. Keep at it, I'm sure you'll get it finished eventually and I'm looking forward to your take on the series.
Do you think we'll be seeing any of the admins return? Most have been missing since March, with a couple missing since August. It's better working on a site, when you're not the only one contributing. They haven't said when they're likely to return and I've left all of them messages. Do you think I scared them off? It'd be strange if I did, since I haven't met half of them. XD Also, I'm not sure there's much point in maintaining a site, where the series has ended. What more could there be to add? I'm hoping the open ending means that the series is likely going to be revisited at some point in the future. Maybe by then, they would have thought of a name for M-21. XD I'll finish adding images for the later chapters, complete the battles and finish up the plot summaries, then it's a case removing SFX from all the images. This is going to take forever!
When you're next on, could you message me on my wall, if I'm on at the same time, would it be possible to talk in chat with you? I have something I'd like to talk to you about, but I don't want to write it on a public wall for everyone to see.
Sorry, to keep bothering you like this, but I don't have anyone else to talk to. I'm asking since the plot summaries still need to be completed for all characters in volume 8, and I've only managed to add the summaries up until chapter 435. I have over 100 chapters to write summaries out for, and it's a rather daunting task. Furthermore, I haven't added any pictures for the last 10-20 chapters, because it takes two days to think up names for them, since once they're up, I can't rename them and marking them for deletion, then uploading new versions is a pain. Lastly, I have several battles that require vs images. Should I keep working through this epic task list or cut my losses and run?
How are you? Do you think The Masked Man is going to be the new enemy? I hope that he escapes and they can keep the series going until chapter 600. What do you think? I know that at the current rate, we're most likely to see it end at chapter 550. Still, I want it to continue. I'm not sure what I'd do if the series ended. I'd probably have to find another one I guess. XD
I keep removing posts and backtracking. I'm sorry, but for some reason I'm really scared to be on here, or write on message walls. I feel like I'm having a mental breakdown. I was expecting feedback and ended up getting personally attacked. I wasn't prepared for that and since the blog post hasn't been deleted by an admin, it can be read by anyone. I thought I was doing a good job, keeping the wiki up to date, but apparently not. What if everyone else reacts in the same way Strix did? I don't think I can handle that much stress. I'm panicking. What if one of them decides to block me? All my edits will go to waste. I know it's my fault for creating the post, and no matter what my reasons, I probably should've known better, or been more patient. I mean it's only been 5 months, and I'm not sure when they'll return, but they have to at some point, right? I'm really upset. Part of me wants to delete my account, but only if I can take all my edits with me, but it doesn't work like that, so I can't delete my account. I really don't know what to do.
First things first, stop worrying yourself. It was a heated disagreement over the internet. Nothing more. You are doing a good job but you did kind of jump the gun. I doubt that they would block you and even if they did it would be little harm to you. Perhaps a lot of time wasted but nothing more. No need to delete any accounts but you need to have a better spine. There was no harm done with what you did and you had every right to assume that everyone else had lost interest.
I would not have necessarily deleted your post but I would have made a disclaimer that explained that you were not powergrabing and you were open to other ideas about running the site. That way if anyone wanted to start a fight with you, you could point them at the disclaimer and if they insisted you could just leave and go to another wiki of your interest. Noblesse wiki needs you but you do not necessarily need it. Do not do something too drastic either.
Thanks Dio. That's great advice. First, I need to breathe.
I'll restore my site adoption post and blog and add the disclaimer you've mentioned. Hiding it makes it look worse, and I probably didn't make it clear enough but I would have stepped down as soon as the others became active enough to manage the site themselves. I'm just going to have to deal with whatever consequences come about as a result. If they block me, then I won't be returning to the site, no matter how short the block term.
I think that the next few days, weeks, months, years are going to be hell, until everyone returns and can see what's transpired, then give me their thoughts on it. I think what Strix said and the way he made it sound, knocked my confidence a lot more than I'd like to admit. Now, I feel like every edit I make is either unnecessary or point farming. I'm really worried about what the others will think when they return. I'm sure they'll all be of the same opinion. What do you think I should do?
Edit: I've just seen that the site adoption post has been permanently deleted. Now I'm even more of a nervous wreck.
To start, no one cares about points. It is a headache you do not need. What is the point of being more nervous at this point about the post? It is gone now and few will remember it and even less will care. We are at a limbo where the admins are mostly absent and the only ones who are still consistenty here are few and have no real authority meaning that a lot of the job of keeping the wiki running is out of our power and responsibility. Do not sweat it. Just what you always do until you stop wanting to.
Okay, thanks Dio, that's really helped a lot. I'm still feeling a little worse for ware, but I'll be back to normal by the new year.
I've restored the threads I deleted. So, if anyone does wonder about it in the future it's there. I won't go into hiding, I'll just keep my head down and manage the site (basically what I've been doing). If anyone says anything about it, I won't respond. I don't feel like I owe anyone an explanation and I've made my stance pretty clear in several other posts.
I'll leave this post up too. I want to delete it, but I think it needs to be here.
Do you think it'd look bad, if I didn't make any contributions to the site, for a couple of days and earned my contribution points by leaving messages on other people's walls? XD
I do have stuff to work on, where this site is concerned, but I can't be bothered with it right now. I feel like my workload is too much to deal with at times and even though I manage to cross plenty of items off it, I just end up with more stuff to take its place. I think I need to take a break, but I can't right now with everyone being away.
You are not an admin and thus what you do is more of volunteer work than anything. If you thing it is stressfull, take a break and return whenever you are well again. It might be after a day, a month or a year but if you need a break, take it. This is not a paying job.
I think that apart from me and the occasional contributor, the wiki is largely abandoned. I've created a blog post to see if anyone has any problems with me adopting the site and becoming an admin/bureaucrat on the site. So far, I've had 0 responses, which goes to show how active the wiki is.
The reason I want admin/bureaucrat rights is because there are a lot of admin only tasks that need to be taken care of, which aren't being dealt with. Here is a basic list:
We have 955 pages, however, we should only have 946 pages, since 9 of those pages are in the deletion queue.
The latest chapter from the navigation bar is supposed to be updated on Monday, however, it's being updated on Wednesday, after the English release making our site, seem inactive/out of date.
There are 235 duplicate images awaiting deletion.
Those are the things bugging me at present. Since you're the only person on here, who I can talk to, what do you think? Do you think I'm overthinking everything, or should I just be patient and wait for the admins/bureaucrats to come back?
I will advice against taking power without approval from the admins as it will be seen as a powergrab. Do not cause more drama than you should be willing to deal with. You clearly know how to run this site but waiting is important to justify whatever decision you take with confidence, points and facts. Be pleasant, nice, patient and humble but not too apologetic.
@Dio, Thanks for your advice. I needed someone else's opinion, so I've decided to delete the blog post. I'll wait for the admins to return, however long that takes.
@Strix, I've replied to you on your other post. I resent that you think I'm desperate for power, because I'm not. Until your edits a few days ago, the last time you made an edit that wasn't sending people to your blog, was in February. Aster and Wings in March, and Joan in August. So you can see why I'm a little frustrated with you and the other admins. I constantly ask for your help, only to be ignored by you, so I don't even bother asking anymore. I've deleted the post, I just wanted to gather feedback and opinions before making any formal requests and I've done that.
Apply for site adoption if you need or are so desperate.
And you are frustrated due to inactive admins? Lol. I have managed Ability wikia without any admin power when no admin was active for almost all time during its run.
You see there are two ways to ask things. Being humble and then there is being desperate. You sounded second one. Not because of only this blog but because how you complaint before that you aren't getting enough appreciation or power for being active/top.
Honestly i wouldn't have felt this if not for that post. So yeah sorry for hurting your sentiments
"Apply for site adoption if you need or are so desperate."
I'm going to let this slide, since English is not your first language, but the wording of this sentence is both aggressive and confrontational. Trust me when I say, I'm not someone you want to start a fight with.
"And you are frustrated due to inactive admins? Lol. I have managed Ability wikia without any admin power when no admin was active for almost all time during its run."
It would be so easy to tear you to shreds here, but I'm not going to.
"You see there are two ways to ask things. Being humble and then there is being desperate. You sounded second one. Not because of only this blog but because how you complaint before that you aren't getting enough appreciation or power for being active/top."
If you're referring to my previous blog, then that was more to mark the day I ended up topping the leader board, not to go on an ego trip. It's there for my own personal use, nobody needs to comment on it, and there are several similar blogs, so there's no need for you to single mine out and have your two cents. The complaints are mostly due to mental and physical exhaustion, from keeping the site running alone. I wouldn't mind, if I had people to talk to, but I don't, hence the constant fatigue. The only and I reiterate, only use I would have for admin rights is to rename/delete images. Currently, the only way for me to rename an image, is to mark the first one for deletion, and re-upload the same image with a new name. This causes image conflicts and creates more work for you and the other admins, and since you're all busy with other projects, it'd be nice if I could lighten the load for all of you, but then again I don't expect you to understand. You've hardly spoken to me, since I've been here and tend to ignore the posts where I try and have a conversation with you. So, if you misunderstand me, or my intentions, that's your fault, not mine.
"Honestly i wouldn't have felt this if not for that post. So yeah sorry for hurting your sentiments."
I think you're taking things a little too personally, but apology accepted. I also apologise, if I've offended you, with some of my comments.
Well did this go downhill fast or what? It is bad if no one is here to run the site though. An authority figure that is here often would be nice. That being said, I believe that Seb has at least put enough work to be considered for adminhood.
Thanks Dio. It did escalate quickly. After I'd responded to you, I had planned on deleting this post along with marking the blog post for deletion. However, due to the comments, I've left it here, so I can at least defend myself. Sorry, for arguing on your wall. Please don't hate me. XD I'll delete it eventually.
Firstly, the post I deleted was saying that I only expressed my views since you asked. Then I recalled I have posted on Dio's wall so it was wrong.
Secondly, thanks fo not bringing my English in the discussion.
Now, I mentioned about your rant/comment about not getting enough recognition since you posted on wikia. I believed posting publicly on wikia means you want people to read your words
Just so you don't misunderstand, you had my vote fo adminhood after Bani returned. Bu let me clear I clearly didn't liked your way of site adoption and point farming. Especially I detested the site adoption post.
Please do tear me to shreds for my Ability part. On the ability wikia there was no recognition or points. Sure the manhwa was cancelled but I did what I could. There is not always a need for so openly demanding things.
You have already made your request clear about adminhood and I am sure Bani would have agreed. But when one looks at your post of resenment fo not getting recognition/power and adoption, it is easy to see why one might not really like your way of doing things.
Ignoring you? I didn't. You asked me to change things and I did when I got time. Heck lately I don't even get time to participate much on MH where you are a user.
Thank you for replying to this post. This is the first time, I don't feel like we're at a stand off, and are finally having a real conversation.
You're a great admin and I value your advice and input, hence marking the site adoption post for deletion. Had I wanted to take over, I could have done so easily. I intentionally drew your attention to the post, because I knew you would've missed it otherwise, if I wanted to take over regardless, I wouldn't have told you about it. After receiving feedback from yourself and Dio, I took the appropriate action and marked the post for deletion. I'll also be deleting my admin request on Wings' page.
I will stop the point farming edits. Most of those were when I was at my lowest point on here, so making multiple smaller edits, rather than several larger edits, made things a little easier, otherwise, I would've stopped contributing altogether. Going forward, I'll be making normal edits.
I won't remind you to update the chapter navigation, or ask you to delete the items awaiting deletion, I'll let you take care of them when you remember, or when you have time. Like you said in an earlier post, I shouldn't care too much about this site. Since we're on the topic, I can't remember the last time I checked MH, I don't really use it often.
For the record, I would only have adopted the site temporarily. As soon as everyone else became active enough to run the site themselves, I would've stepped down.