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  • I will think Muzaka was brainwashed by all the six traitor clan leaders with help from 2nd Elder... They forced him to rebel against WWs by attacking them and hence giving 2nd Elder a chance to become the Lord. This could also be the reason for the sudden disappearance of WWs.

    Rai was probably hesitant to fight his only friend 820 years ago, and that too when Muzaka was rather a victim than an enemy. 
    
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    • I agree. It was either he was brainwashed or it was over some pretty silly reason (author is an expert on that; remember how Franky became his servant?) that those two had fought earlier. It's a bit hard to believe that Ignes probably experimented on him, the PL of WWs?! Just what is she? Poor Roctis betrayed and died over such a arrgh...

      Back to the topic, similarities between the two friends - both were considered traitors of their race. Oh, Frankenstein is also the 'traitor of mankind', is he not?

      Things are gonna get interesting...

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    • I think that this battle is going to be different from the others; i.e. Rai isn't just going to kill Muzaka on the spot. This is because both of their physical conditions are appalling and Muzaka seems to have a bigger, more influential role in the manhwa, as he is revealed to be the only friend of Rai and the only one to have powers equal to him. The two are probably just going to stop fighting and try to solve their misunderstandings. But, many readers are suggesting that Muzaka has been brainwashed and commanded to betray both his race and his friend. The 2nd Elder and the Union probably teamed up to dethrone Muzaka and remove Rai as a potential threat. The 2nd Elder seems to be planning to take over the Union with his werewolves... what do you guys think about the hesitation the 5th Elder showed when she saw Muzaka, her reaction was so different to Kentas'. 

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    • I have second thoughts on believing that he was brainwashed. Initially, it seems like a plausible idea (it still is) but I thought, would the Lord (at that time) of the werewolves be easily brainwashed? Would he be so ignorant that he is easily brainwashed? Even Rai had an inkling regarding Ignes' misdeeds from the past. If he really was brainwashed, I think there's a reason why he would be influenced to fight Rai and betray his kind.

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    • This is how it played out in my head:Muzaka was brainwashed by the 6 traitors. However, I believe that they were in league with the 2nd Elder and the rest of the Union in this plot. They might have planned for Muzaka to kill Rai and then invade Lukedonia to subjugate the weaker Nobles, and then the human world. The 2nd Elder would help lure Muzaka into a trap in exchange for the throne. He would have then lied to the other werewolves that Muzaka had betrayed them and went to live in Lukedonia or was plotting with the Nobles to destroy the werewolves, turning them against Lukedonia. This explains why so many werewolves are in the Union. Finally, the Union, led by the first Elder, would provide support for the plan, such as providing weapons and ground forces to help the invasion of Lukedonia and the human world.

      This would be especially easy at this point in time, because by this point, Rai would be dead. Also, afterwards, the Union gets to keep Muzaka as a test subject and the right to experiment on any DNA samples from Rai, the other nobles, and Muzaka. I believe that these experiments were continuing for hundreds of years, brought into full fruition by Dr. Crombell, through the M-Series. These were experiments that combined the DNA of different species to create more powerful modified humans, to sustain their grip on the world. Also, M-21 might have Muzaka's heart.

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    • @strix

      that raises another question: Who could POSSIBLY brainwash him?

      @spirits

      agreed. My imagination tells me that 6 traitors and the 2nd elder were in league. The rest remains to be seen.

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    • i think rai stoped muzaka for doing somthing

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    • @ Grobda

      I agree with the question: who could brainwash Muzaka?

      It could be the nobles who joined hands with current werewolf leader/ union folks. Since werewolves don't have mind control/ prevention abilities.

      Still it's a big deal when someone as powerful as Muzaka is considered.

      Or it could turn up like this that Muzaka wanted to kill/attack the ones (nobles) trying to assault Raizel but Rai stopped him. So he got super angry at Raizel and attacked him (not with the intention of killing his best mate of course)! As aftermath, Rai went to hiding (Muzaka was left injured - easy prey for the union to get him brainwashed). Weird theory though...

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    • @wings

      The only plausible deduction is that after their duel and Rai was somehow dumped into the deep sea, Muzaka was on the verge of dying and lost consciousness. Roctis and his associates SECRETLY retrieved Muzaka and hid him ever since, without the knowledge of the 2nd elder.

      let me say my assumption piece on what happened between the two:

      something bad happened to Muzaka's pack member(s); It was traitors' conspiracy. Muzaka, enraged, launches an assault on Nobles' territory, and traitors inform Rai of Muzaka's actions before other Nobles could find out. Rai came out of his mansion to meet Muzaka, accompanied by traitors, unaware of the fact that the traitors were to desert him and leading Rai to his doom. Rai tried to mollify angry Muzaka and told Muzaka that the perpetrator would be caught in time and be tried. Muzaka, however, WANTED IMMEDIATE JUSTICE. Rai could not consent to that, and clash followed... At this point, the traitors deserted Rai, forcing Rai to fight Muzaka and his pack alone.

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    • I agree with what has been said. I wonder what happened during their battle since Muzaka thinks he is still in the battle? The current leader must've betrayed him. He probably spread the rumor about muzaka being a traitor. I guess we don't know though. We'll see next time whether he is surprised to hear this news about muzaka being alive.

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    • Since muzaka says why are you standing in my way maybe rai wasn't his target. Could the traitor nobles have done something to enrage muzaka but hid behind rai? Rai still trusted them(back then)and as their protector he was forced to fight muzaka. They set it up so both of them would destroy each other. Wonder how his casket got thrown into the sea? And do we know if muzaka has been in possession of the union all of the last 820 years? Judging from the 9th elders his existence seems to only be known to rictus, 9th elder, ignes and the other nobles in the union. Could he also have been enhanced? It seems likely since he is in the lab. He also must've received a lot of damage when fighting rai. Could he have been defeated by rai? It seems confusing because he wasn't killed. Rai usually leaves his opponents without a trace. Maybe he knew muzaka was innocent and left him or his life force was so less he had to leave without concluding the battle. Is that what is said in the manga? Also roctis comments that rai is weaker than 820 years ago so maybe those nobles also fought him. Could the union have manipulated muzaka's memory to include up to his battle with rai? He seems manipulated because he doesn't seem like himself and he complains of headaches.

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    • traitor got something important to muzaka to go bye bye and make him believe it to be by the humans.Muzaka goes nuts and start killing humans. traitors did this because they knew that in response... tada here comes 'him' to defend the humans. they fight and rai is troubled becuase he knowsthe traitors were plotting, but didn't stop them becuase he wouldn't deprive them of their will unless they are killing inocents, and as a result cant kill muzaka either. WHO freaking knows how long the battle goes and Rai, not killing and at a disadvantaged ...


      also if muzaka did 'win' by forcing hybernation he probably wouldn't have killed rai so ? Muzaka threw him in the ocean and then exsausted got taken up by the researcher peeps.



      I think m-21 would be awesome if he had muzakas heart!!!

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    • You gotta think werewolf here. M-21 has a werewolf heart. The only logical conclusions would be either he has Muzaka's heart, or the heart of someone close to him, maybe a lover? My bet goes to the traitor clan leaders ganging up on a werewolf close to Muzaka and leaving the werewolf almost dead for humans to find, then having Muzaka witness it. Rai being the poor kind being he is, couldn't help but try to stop Muzaka from slaughtering humans without killing him.

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    • Having Muzaka's heart would be awesome but that has a .001% chance since who could possibly dare to attack him let alone take up his heart?!

      I agree with the possibility of any of his close werewolves getting wounded by traitor nobles and left for humans to find OR sabotaged by both nobles and 'those' humans and Muzaka led to witness what humans do to the werewolf. As Muzaka goes berserk, Rai faces him to save humanity. The two most powerful beings clash and injure each other while the traitors get their way cleared. The body of the werewolf could end up in several experiments or anywhere for Crombel to find a piece of it.

      My question is: what had been the previous Lord doing during that time?

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    • M-21 probably has the heart of Muzaka's son (a valuable thing Muzaka has lost) - It is very unpredictable what Kentas may do now. He may spare M-21 and support him or he may decide to kill the trio, lost in rage at finding out what Union has done to his own race. The same goes for Muzaka, who may either treat M-21 as his son or kill him instantly.  

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    • One thing is clear. Muzaka hates humanity. He wants to war with and or destroy humanity and Rai will not sit by and let that happen, i think thats why the two of them are fighting. Muzaka lost something to the humans and i think the heart M-21 has is directly related to that incident. Given that in chapter 322, M-21 finally transforms and his appearance is strikingly similar to Muzaka's...... my theory, the heart belonged to either his younger brother or his son (probably the former)

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    • Muzaka had a doughter and humans killed her thats why he wanted to kill all human but Rai stoped him becouse he love humans

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    • Yes, that sums it up as the reason. Now we'll just wait to know about the circumstances of Ashleen's death to see whether the traitors manipulated it (likely).

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    • Joan Black wrote:
      Yes, that sums it up as the reason. Now we'll just wait to know about the circumstances of Ashleen's death to see whether the traitors manipulated it (likely).


      Maduke's henchmen killed Ashleen with a crossbow, fooling Muzaka into thinking Humans killed her. (Noblesse OVA)

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    • Grobda wrote:

      Maduke's henchmen killed Ashleen with a crossbow, fooling Muzaka into thinking Humans killed her. (Noblesse OVA)

      Really? I need to check up on that. Thanks for the info.

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    • Maduke's werewolf henchmen killed her with a crossbow(purposely not using werewolf powers), fooling Muzaka into thinking that humans murdered her.

      This led to tragic chain of events ended in which Muzaka and Raizel nearly destroying each other 820 years ago, forcing Raizel into long hibernation.

      I believe, Muzaka and Raizel are going to fight again and when they are both weakened Maduke will reveal all of this to Muzaka. Due to Muzaka and Raizel being weakened, Maduke will beat up Muzaka and stab him thus causing him to think that he killed Muzaka. Then he will start talking to Rai and then beat Rai up and then try to kill Rai but before he can kill Rai, Musaka will kill him.

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